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promising destruction. president trump threatening to totally destroy north korea. and also dubbed its leader kim jong un rocket man in his fiery first salespeople to the united nations. the president set to meet with the u.n. security general shortly. also down to the wire again, republican leaders are pressuring lawmakers to back their last ditch effort to repeal obamacare. what's in the latest bill? why a fiancé term called reconciliation likely means now or never for repeal and replace. and bracing for impact. hurricane maria tears through the caribbean and heads for puerto rico as the cat 5 monster. we'll go live to the storm zone but we start with president trump's talk of war with north korea. the comments coming during the first ever speech before the u.n. general assembly. the president spending 40 minutes addressing national
sovereignty as well as criticizing what he kaumsz the enemies of the humanity and the wicket few. no question it was north korea that was his top target. >> the united states has great strength and patience. but if it is forced to defend itself or its allies we will have no choice but to totally destroy north korea. rocket man is on a suicide mission for himself. and for his regime. >> peter alexander is outside the u.n. here in new york so peter, afterwards the president told reporters that he thought that speech went very well. that he said what he had to say. tell us a little more about those north korea comments specifically and the reaction inside the room. >> we're hearing from senior administration officials now reacting to the speech. one telling nbc news the report
were, quote, subversive in the best way. flipping the outdated wisdom on its head. telling nbc news that the on topic of north korea deterrence prevents war. played the sound byte about rocket man. similarly comments threatening if u.s. or its allies are threatened, there was certainly a because in the room as the president delivered those remarks. also when he said some parts of the world would be going to held. that gathered little bit of because in the room as well. notably north korea that by lottery had been placed in the front row today. the delegation left in advance of the president's remarks, effectively boycotting the speech. one junior delegate remaining at the room at the time. what's notable as we assess the president's remarks when he entered he was asked by reporters what was the message to north korea. he said that it would be a message of peace. here is part of what he said as the president tried to cast this all through the lens of his
america first presidency. take a listen. >> as president of the united states i will always put america first. just like you as the leaders of your countries will always and should always put your countries first. but we can no longer be taken advantage of. or enter into a one-sided deal. where the united states gets nothing in return. as long as i hold this office i will defend america's interest above all else. >> the president talking about a one-sided deal appeared to be references the iran nuclear deal with the deline to certify it again. it was notable when the president made haze remarks calling the deal not just oneside but an embarrassment. it was the prime minister of the
israeli, netanyahu in the room w who was nodding approvingly. he was the one who initiated the applause in the room. throughout the course of the applause where the room was packed. a muted applause when the president arrived. bigger applause for the thoughts about every country being able to stand up for itself and women's empowerment but a lot of to room was a little stunned by the frosty of the remarks. it was an emotional reaction in the eye of some of the diplomats to the president's comments. >> peter a alexander here in the united nations as peter was giving his report there the president left trump tower. he's headed back to the u.n. for a lunch meeting with antonio gutierrez, the secretary general of the u.n. again we've got eyes and ears on that. we'll go there if there are some news worthy comments made. christopher hill has served ads an ambassador four times.
including south korea. -- parses being with me on this afternoon. chris. what do you make of the president's, shall we say, combative talk about how we could again totally destroy north korea? >> i think the president thinks that using these kind of terms will get the north koreans to think twice, perhaps back off. i think the danger is it really spooks the south korean publicatipublic, the people living within range of the north korean artery. he's trying to be making a supportive statement how we will handle things with our allies. he's trying to tell the north korean, look you are playing with fire. but in the fullness of time i think there will be a view that
maybe he actually stepped over the line with this. i think it is not going contribute to essentially the element of the strategy that is absolutely needed and that is greater chinese willingness to do its part. i think what needs to be done is a much more intensive but behind the scenes conversation with china. and i'm not sure these kind of public statement, which certainly i think cast the president as someone who doesn't do business as usual and will be impressive to people who have really been critical of past efforts. i think it is going to create i think more difficulty for the diplomas going forward. and i might add not that the north koreas don't deserve those words. it is just the tactical question of whether it is the best way to proceed. >> ambassador burns, do you share that sentiment? >> i think that president trump is certainly right to say it. he he should say as all american parking lights have said that if we are attacked the united states will defend our self, our
ally, our forces in the region, our country. no question about that. i think president trump was also right to call out those countries that are trading significantly with north korea and not helping to coerce north korea, move them towards devotions. that was a message to russia and to china. but the united states has never -- our best presidents, our toughest presidents have not been bombastic and shrill. and we want to position ourselves as a peacemaker. as a country that is willing to defend itself but not looking for war and that is the mistake in rhetoric that president trump made today. you cannot imagine franklin delino roosevelt or eisenhower or ronald reagan making the statement so easy about destruction and war. we want or the more steely and determined. we don't want to give him the propaganda and advantage that he surely will try to take in the speech. >> in addition the president
also made some news with regards to iran. this is part of what he said. take a listen. >> we cannot let a murderous regime continue these destabilizing activities while building dangerous missiles and we cannot abide by an agreement if it provides cover for the eventual construction of a nuclear program. the iran deal was one of the worst and most one-sided attracti transactions the united states has ever entered into. frankly that deal is an embarrassment to the united states and i don't think you have heard the last of it. believe me. >> trina. did you read that as the president saying that the eyunid states of america is going the tear up the iranian nuclear deal? >> this is yet another instance
trump has essentially signalled that's exactly what he's planning to do by october 15th. the path right now seems to be that he will tell congress that iran has abided by the nuclear aspects of the deal but then because the congressional certification requires him to also say whether he believes it still remains in the u.s. national interest to have lifted sanctions on iran he'll probably come out and say no. and then he'll push the issue to congress and it will be congress that will decide whether we will keep the deal or not. and mindful how congress has behaved on iran in the past it doesn't look very likely this deal will survive if trump goes down this route. >> if we were to alter the deal in any way, shape or form, trina, what happens? >> the united states is not in a position. particularly mindfulful of how trump is beehiving right now to convince the other party of the deal, not just iran. it's france, germany, uk russia and china, this they are going to reopen this negotiation.
there can be additional agreements but that necessitates additional diplomacy. trump has not shown that interests nor necessarily the capacity to engage in such negotiations. but there certainly are things that can be added and certainly are things that will be valuable to add. but again needs the united states to go back to the table and behave like a country that actually can and wants to have achievements of that kind. >> well we're having this conversation. a live look at the united nations, president trump and the first lady have made their way back to the united nations. i can tell you that though. that was not a live look. that was tape. but they are back in the u.n. for that meeting with the secretary general. vivian, as you watch this morning, what struck you most? >> couple of things. first of all it was donald trump, the man, full on for the world to see. talking about calling kim jong un a rocket man, referring to terrorists as losers. that is something that we've seen him do here talking to domestic audiences but a lot of
that is interesting because it gets lost in translation when you are talking to a world audience. i've been speaking with people, shooting messages back and forth with people in the room and getting quick reactions and a lot of them are really astonished and outrages. one person -- >> how could they be? they have seen and heard this president over the last eight or nine months? >> that is the thing. a lot people are seeing him front and center for the first time. their first exposure to him and really thought that you know an american president would get in dpront of this world audience and would at least sort of cater a message to the world audience but that is not what he did. interesting, we were talk about this embarrassment to the u.s. comment talk about the iranian nuclear deal. almost sounds like he's campaigning. that he's still speaking to the u.s. audience. a president may think that but to announce it to the o world. he's always talking how we need to portray strength to allies and countries around the world but when you actually undermine some sort of diplomas or
negotiations that have been conducted via the u.s. you know, it really has shocked so many people that heard that speech today. >> i would massaimagine a lot o allies would be less nervous if the state department were functioning properly. here is the headline off your new piece. "tillerson's state department is adrift diplomats said". >> essentially trump went into this foreign policy a novice. and he needed to get all of the information the government has to provide. the state department, the pentagon. the state department, massive budget cuts. delays in staffing some very critical posts not just the undersecretary positions here. five out of the six which happened to be very important to conduct global view of affairs at the state department.
so we're talking about north korea now and potential that we could really be taking action. seoul does not have an ambassador to date. you have no ambassador in saudi arabia and some really critical posts so a lot of people think that the man of the hour, rex tillerson, the secretary of state has not really been at the forefront of this critical week where our allies could see him and that's really been a concern to a lot of people. >> ambassador burns used to work at state as the spokesman. how would you characterize the current state of affairs in your former workplace. >> i was a foreign service officer. and it's lamentable what's happened. the slow nature of the points. the 31% proposed budget cut. foreign and civil service being freezed out. this is no way to run a government. we need a strong diplomacy and on iran we especially need a strong diplomacy. i think that president trump would be very well advised to follow his instinctings on iran
ace activities in the region. iran is a real trouble maker in lebanon, syria, iraq and against israel and i think he'd gain a lot of support from the arab world and europeans and the congress both parties if that's where he focused because the iranians deserve to be contained but not on the nuclear deal. it is not in our interest to walk way from that deal. and that is why you need a strong diplomacy. the problem with the speech today is that it was all about american hard power but the united states, our greatest presidents have always accentuated the fact that we're looking for peace. we're an alliance builder. we're in the world. we're not trying to walk away from the world which is what america first is all about so i vchb agree that we've got to strengthen the state department. hope secretary tillerson will listen to congress which wants to give him full funding if he'll take it. >> vivian, ambassador burns, hill, big thanks to all of you helping us break that down.
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live look here inside the room at the united nations where president trump is set to meet with u.n. secretary general antonio gutierrez any moment now. this coming on the heels of the president's first major speech at the united nations. when the president and the secretary general make their way and start speaking we'll take you there live. meanwhile another potentially catastrophic hurricane heading the caribbean while remnants of the hurricane jose send dangerous rip currents along the east coast. hurricane maria crippled the caribbean island of dominica last night, as the strongest hurricane on record to ever make land fall there. now that storm is on track to pummel the virgin islands and puerto rico. in fact the islands public safety commissioner warning people to, quote, get out now or die.
puerto rico's governor said maria will essentially devastate the island. >> this storm will bring slow, sustained 150 miles an hour gusts. a lot of houses just won't withstand that. >> we have live team coverage tracking both storms. wnbc's dave price in new york. tammy lite ner in puerto rico and the christen dal deron on the east coast. in terms of a track, where is maria how bad can this get? >> reporter: you pointed out the fact we're watching hurricane activity along the eastern sea board of the united states in the atlantic. let's folks on this track, craig and if you have questions again feel free to interrupt. category five storm. 150 miles southeast of st. croix at this point. with sustained winds at 160 miles per hour. moving west/northwest at 10 miles per hour. as we look at the track it is very important right now to
consider where this storm is and how a wobble or a slight change may effect some of the outcomes. puerto rico in its sights. wednesday morning, 155 miles per hour winds. then brushing by the island of hispanola. where haiti and the dominican republic. how it may impact the turks and caicos islands so devastated by irma. and then heads into the atlantic. the impacts rolling through place like st. croix. wind speeds of 125 to 150 miles per hour. potential storm surge of upwards 11 feet and rainfall, 15 plus inches. major flooding expect in the virgin islands and then potentially over puerto rico. as it rolls through we're going to see the winds not diminished by again its brush by st. croix. storm surge up to nine feet and wrafl town 20 or more inches.
rainfall. and in some mountainous areas that is going to cause major flooding as all out of the water and mud flows downward towards populated areas. and through the to the best of your recollection and caicos. winds will begin to die down again. and rainfall 12-18 inches but les took at this picture right now. we've slowed it down so you can see a wobble to the west. a wobble to the east. a move to the north and east. those wobbles at this point may be the difference between what could be a catastrophic hit to places like san juan and a major hurricane. now it doesn't sound like a lot of difference when you talk about it verbally. but the difference may be significant based on where on this rotation we see this storm hitting san juan.
so we continue to watch that. it would take a miracle for there to be anything less than significant major life-threatening impact to san juan in the surrounding areas. but we have seen this time and time again where wobbles can make a big difference. let's talk about the heaviest rainfall over the mountains at this point and again, upwards of 25 inches. when you add that to wind speeds of 150 miles per hour you have got the worst of all scenarios. because you have got the issue of wind speeds, which are going to cause major damage and debris. flooding of course from high waves and beech erosion and of course the possibility of flooding which complicates everything. >> as we look at that storm we're also keeping an eye on jose. that continues to meander of i the northeast coast right now. 335 miles south southwest of nantucket with 75 miles per hour
winds moving north at 7. that mixes with heavy rains and high seas. again it's effect should be minimized in the next 24 hours, craig. >> dave, thanks as always. let's go down to tammie light lite ner in puerto rico. dave price saying that island with expect somewhere between 20 and 25 inches of rain. never mind the wind. how are folks there preparing? >> announcer: they are going the best they can. lot of people have already taken shelter. there are about 500 shelters and as for people hunkering down and riding it out in their homes, they are stocking up on supplies. the shelves are bare. there are no more generators. no more flashlights. head lamps. batteries, gas cans. people are filling up their cars. trying to withdraw money from the banks and they have actually put a cap on it, craig because of the emergency so there is a lot going on right now.
>> tammie there on puerto rico. gets get out to new jersey. parts of the jersey shore have barely recovered from the wide spread damage of the hurricane sandy in 2012. super storm sandy. hurricane jose has weakened. still expected to bring some serious weather. but that in a moment. here is president trump heading back into the united nations. again a live look here as the president makes his way back for this lunch meeting with antonio gutierrez who is the ninth secretary general of the u.n. and you see president trump there flanked by his ambassador to the u.n. nikki haley there walking behind him. and again president trump, you see general mattis as well. and there is the secretary of state as well. secretary of state rex tillerson. i didn't see general mattis. telling that general mattis just passed by. that was john kelly. secretary kelly. christen dalgren is the in shore
there in new jersey. what's the scene there? >> reporter: as you can see we're seeing the outer bands now. we've got the rain coming down and the wind. i'm keeping my back to it a little bit. because it is pretty painful when it pelts you here. but it is not the rain and the wind that's going to be the biggest problem along the shore with jose. this is what it is. take a look behind me now. we're at about low tide so the water has gone down some but you can see just how angry it is just to our north in -- a fishing pier there actually came off its support. and that gives you some idea of just how powerful the waves are. that's the biggest concern at this point for officials to keep people out of water and we've not seen anyone going in. lot times you see people surfing. we're not seeing that today. that's good news but the rip currents expected to be very powerful. although a lot of people coming out to look and take pictures, not going in the water.
that's good news. back to you. >> all right christen there in new jersey. thank you. we'll check with you in a bit. let's go back now to the united nations. peter alexander once again standing by and peter we saw the president heading in, flanked by hi chief of staff, his secretary of state, his u.n. ambassador as well. he is again taking -- it looks like he's getting ready to take his seat perhaps. again, going to be meeting with the secretary general of the united nations. peter what can we expect to hear from president trump? and what can we expect to hear from the secretary general? >> well i think we heard the headlines for the president, his remarks earlier today. most of these speeches expected to be 15 minutes. he went for more than 40 as the president himself communicated to the cameras as he was walking out of the room. he said i basically what had to be said about north korea. about iran, syria and venezuela and dprangly about sovereignty. really casting a different role
for the world's great nations than past president had. and what's notable as we see is the president sitting down. he'll be joining the u.n. secretary general for lunch in a minute. later he'll meet with the president of the united nations. is that this president viewed this as an opportunity to sort of cast his view of the united states in the world to the world directly. an america-first president trying to find a cooperative effort where all nations could be involved as well. and in trying to basically put their own interests first but also teaming up in fact as the president described it to try to crack down on some of the rogue regimes in the world. what was notable in his remarks earlier is that in the very same way that he's dismissed the united nations he really is dependent on the u.n. on the security council specifically for that crack down on north korea. but in the same way that he is relying on the u.n. in north korea he's also suggesting that
the u.s. may in fact go it alone by withdrawing from what he describes as an embarrassment, the iran nuclear deal as well. so we wait to hear from the president here today but of course obviously he's made as much news as you could anticipate in any one american president and of course his remarks here today. >> not really clear at this point whether the president is going to be taking questions in this setting. but again as they get settle. a lot's been made over the past few days and even on this broadcast moment ago about the dynamic that exists inside the west wing now, if you will, as it relates to foreign policy. and establishing foreign policy and executing foreign policy. secretary of state rex tillerson. ambassador nikki haley. what do we know about the dynamic inside the west wing between these two and specifically crafting foreign policy. >> i think it wass evidenced by
the president's remarks. steven miller the one responsible behind the scenes for a lot of the language the president used. although i'm told the rocket man phrase was exclusively the president's. in the words of this official the president doesn't need any help with branding his opponents. but nonetheless this was in many ways steven miller's own words today. which you should contrast to the thought of h.r. mcmaster, his national security advisor who's been heavily teaming one rex tillerson and nicky haley in the course of this administration's formation. steven miller someone who supports the use of that phrase radical islamic terrorism the president used today. h.r. mcmaster and others suggesting it is unwise to use statements like this in settings like this, craig. >> peter alexander at the united nations. thank you. you do stand by for us if you can.
and other world leaders as well. at the u.n. when those two gentlemen start to make some remarks. we'll take you back there. meanwhile new developments in the russia investigation. trump organization lawyer michael cohen was on capitol hill to answer questions from senate intelligence committee staffer this is morning. but cohen said the interview was postponed at the kplee's request. a source with direct knowledge of the matter tells nbc's kim delaney that committee leaders canceled the interview because they thought he violated an agreement not to talk with the media. the source said lawmakers were miffed when cohen circulated a statement that included a blanket denial of collusion with russia. it would appear as if a subpoena at this point is likely. let's bring in nick ackerman. former assistant special prosecutor for water gate and msnbc national analyst john
mcglaughlin. former acting director of the cia. thanks both of you for being with me. nick, first your general take on what happened with michael cohen this morning? >> well i think that the congressional staff and the committee were miffed and rightfully sew if they had an agreement like that. he's gone out to try and take advantage of the situation by issuing a blanket denial of having anything to do with collusion. when there is plenty of evidence that he was deeply involved in russia even during the campaign he was the president's point man trying to establish a trump tower in moscow. there is also from the dossier that was published, i don't know, some time last year. there is an allegation that he also met with russians in the czech republic. he denies that but i have to believe there is some kernel of truth in that somewhere and he's certainly a position in a position to know a lot -- person
with a position to know a lot what was going on with russia and the history of the developments and deals in russia. >> also some new details focusing on former trump campaign chairman paul manafort. the "new york times" reporting how back in july the agents bearing a search warrant picked a lock on his front door, raided his house there in virginia. manafort home sleeping at the time. the times citing two people close to the investigation reports mueller's prosecutors told manafort they plan to indict him. what can we glean from this kind of pressure that the special council appears to be bringing? >> i think two things we can assume based on this report. one, that mueller's office had to put in an affidavit to the judge that granted them the search warrant. basically establishing probable cause. >> one second. let's listen in here. president trump back at the u.n. it is a great honor to have the united nations in new york and always has been.
for years i've been a critic. but i've always been somebody that said that the united nations has tremendous potential. and under your leadership and i've seen what you have done in working with nicky haley and all of her friends. she's made so many friends here and rex tillerson likewise has become really a fixture here. we're working very hard to solve world problems. but there is no better forum. there can be no better forum. and certainly there can be no better location where everybody comes together. so i want to congratulate you. the word is "potential." the potential of the united states in terms of what it's done has been wonderful. but we can do better and we're going to. the potential of the united nations is unlimited. and i really believe i've met your representatives and i know you well. you are going to do things that will be epic.
and i certainly hope you will. but i feel very very confident. so i just want to toast everybody in the room. and let's give this as a toast to the potential, the great, great potential of the united nations. thank you all for being here. thank you very much. >> and there you have it. president trump there at the united nations. a toast that would not necessarily seem to square what some of what he's said about the former league of nations. at one point calling it obsolete. but again there toasting the potential of the u.n. saying that it is unlimited, epic, potentially. let's go back to our conversation, nick. i cut you off in the middle of your thought. >> that's okay. there are really two points to make out of these reports.
one is the idea that the agents entered the house with a lock pick. that is pretty unusual. for somebody to execute a search warrant without first knocking and having people come to the door. what that means is that mueller had probable cause and evidence to present to a judge that there was a real strong likelihood that if he didn't get into that house immediately that manafort or somebody else would have destroyed records. secondly the fact that manafort has already been given what is known as the target notice, that is that he's going to be indicted for serious federal crimes, that sends a real strong signal. >> is that unusual? >> no. not at all. it is not unusual if what the prosecutor is trying to do is to get that person to turn and give state's evidence against other people. all of which is to say that the people who really have concerns here are president trump, donald trump jr., jared kushner and
others who were present during that june 9th meeting at trump tower. and other people that manafort came in touch with during the course of the campaign. they are trying to put as much pressure on manafort as they can. if it means convicting him of the serious crimes, then getting him a real stiff sentence so he ultimately testifies and cooperates. >> john, mr. mcglaughlin. also the report today from unnamed sources to cnn that the united states had the united states had investigators running a wiretap on paul manafort over his connections to russia before and after the election. john, what are the implications of that? >> well, you know, in many ways, craig, that is the most interesting thing we've heard in the last 24 hours. the fact that they were running a wiretap in 2014, before manafort was a household word tells me that this was probably one of the things that fed into
concerns about the russians were doing with associates of the trump campaign once that campaign had taken off. and the other thing i would underline and i'm sure nick would agree is that these warrants to do a wiretap like that are very difficult to get. i used to sign or endorse such things when it came to foreign terrorism, for example. and these warrants come with pacts of paper that are about an inch thick and involve 60, 70 pages of information, data, to make the case for probable cause. so i think within the last 24, 48 hours with the news that you have just mentioned and with the discussion you had with nick on the manafort search, the washington of hwarrant of searching his house, that i
think takes -- the whole investigation takes a more serious turn. and having worked with bob mueller quite a bit when he was the fbi director. this is a person who doesn't waste a lot of time. who is very serious and very focused and will not want this to drag on. he will not cut corners but he will go directly to where the evidence points and he will do it quickly and efficiently and that seems to be what's happening here. >> what is the likelihood the wire taps picked up any conversations between mafrlt and the president? >> well we can't put a percentage on that but given the fact that manafort was talking to the president in some arena in the period when the wiretap was we renewed in 2016 there is some probability, possibility, that the president appears on those wiretaps and that could be part of the evidence that that mueller is trying to explore now
to find out what's behind that and what to make of it. >> john it sounds like base offend your relationship with bob mueller, your knowledge of how he operates and based on this new evidence, if you will. that's come to light. it sounds like you think the special council has something. >> it sure feels that way to me. in other words, one thing a special council always wants to avoid is the sense that they are on a fishing expedition. that settles in after a while if this drags on too long and just knowing the seriousness of the people that bob mueller has assembled here, i don't think anyone could make that accusation at this point. i would say it feels to me like they have got something that is passively serious here. >> nick, quickly here going back to these wiretaps. to get a wiretap like that, do you essentially have to present a good chunk of your case to the
judge? >> probably most of your case. i mean, you would try and put everything you possibly could into that affidavit. you have got to show probable cause that a crime was committed. you have got to show probable cause that the crime is being discussed over the telephone if you are getting a pfizer wire. and you have to have probable cause that the person is acting as a foreign agent. there is every incentive on the part of the prosecutors to put as much evidence into those applications and in investigation like this where there is a great deal of public scrutiny where history is going to hold this up to a fine microscope. i guarantee you robert mueller hawes put together a pretty darn good case in those affidavits. >> fascinating conversation. gentlemen thank you. >> thank you. >> republicans are determined to
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a last-ditch republican effort to repeal and replace obamacare could be gaining momentum on capitol hill this hour. a bill fronted by senators bill cassidy and the lindsay graham of south carolina respectfully, that's according to the "new york times," the bill would eliminate two big coverage programs by obamacare. and instead of giving blocks of money to state governments with few limitations on how thick distribute them to provide health benefits. mike pence arrived on capitol hill top of the hour with senator graham. they took the fight back with --. attending a the luncheon in effort to push this bill over the finish line. let's go to msnbc's garrett haake camped out on capitol hill for us. i understand you talked to john mccain a short time ago. of course he's a very good friends with lindsay graham. senator mccain moving on this?
>> reporter: he's not saying craig. it is really interesting. mccain's in a tough spot. lindsay graham is his best friend on capitol hill. they are extremeliose close but he's also been very outspoken that he hate this is process. the bill hasn't gone through the committee system. it has no democrats on board and he said after the last healthcare board that was not something he's willing to deal with. today he has stopped talkeding about this. reminds me very much how he clammed up the night of the last healthcare vote. he's not showing one way or the other which way he's going to go on this. but a that tells me he's getting a lot of pressure on this. and the bill's sponsor. remember it is not just graham cassidy. dean heller from nevada and ron johnson from wisconsin. i talked to both of them earlier today. they are cautiously optimistic they are moving in the right direction. here is part of my conversation with ron johnson this morning. >> saying well just doesn't do enough. leaves 90% of obamacare in place. well a no vote leaves 100% in
place. the collapsing markets, just completely unsustainable system. so this is far better than the alternative. >> reporter: folks say this leaves too much of obamacare in place. he's directing that remark to rand paul who's opposing this from a cons stif side saying it doesn't go far enough. so far rand paul is the only hard no vote, craig. >> without getting in the weeds too much. let's talk about why the timing here is so important for republicans and reconciliation and the calendar that they are up against. >> reporter: so they really have their backs against a wall here. at the end of september the clock runs out on republicans doing anything with just 50 votes. so if this lasts more than a week and a half they would have to get to sixty votes. that is not going to happen. and by the way it is even a little more complicated than that. without getting into the weeds. not only do republicans in the senate have to pass it by the end of next week to beat the clock. then the house can't change it. if the house changes the senate
would have to vote on whatever they change and get to the sixty vote threshold. so they are really up against the clock with a couple of days off for the jewish holidays mixed in. it is very tight timeline. so tight they won't even get a complete kr, bo score before they vote. -- cbo. let's bring in new york republican dan donovan. a member of the foreign affairs committee. we'll talk about the president's big speech in a moment. also a member of the homeland security as well. let's start with where garrett just left off. the likelihood that the chamber gives you a bill that you don't touch and you send it back before september 30th. >> it is a tough timeline. september 30 the budget runs out. the opportunity for reconciliation in the senate runs ouflt for this budget cycle they have another opportunity after october 1st but i think they want to use that for tax reform.
so it is a tough time frame. we're at a session of house this week. we go back next monday so you are talking about a short time frame and getting all of this done. >> based on what you know about the bill as it exists right now. is it a bill that you could support? >> no i'd have to analyze it no replacement plan because of how harmful it was for the people of new york city. i'm the only republican member of congress from new york, so i feel a responsibility for our entire city. it's going to cost the people of our city about $2.3 billion in new taxes without any added benefit to their health care. this is something i couldn't support, i told the president about this, and he understood that. and i never was one of those people that got any pressure from either the leadership in the house or the president when i explained why i was a no vote. >> let's turn to president trump's speech before the u.n. today. extremely tough talk for kim jong-un. totally destroy, also called him rocket man, as well. are we at a point now where there are no options left for
dealing with north korea's leader other than a military option? >> oh, i don't think so, and i don't think the president believes so either. i think he's putting pressure on some other countries. china and japan, to step up. you know, get most of their energy resources from china and these rockets that he launches, craig, some of them aren't successful. they go over japan. they end up in the sea of japan. one of those rockets could go in the wrong direction and land in china. they have a parochial interest, both china and japan, to neutralize this person. >> but is the rhetoric the way to go to go about getting china and japan -- because he tried this before and doesn't seem to be working. >> in his speech he thanked russia and china in their vote for sanctions and spoken to president xi a number of times about what's happening in the north korean and korean peninsula, so i think he's negotiating with china. he just wants to see some results. you know, there's a school of
thought now that all -- that kim is looking for is a deal like iran got in their nuclear deal that president obama entered with them. so, you know, president trump is putting america first, no one should be surprised at that. >> you think he's looking for a carrot, that's what this is about? >> i think he wants military action to be the last resort. >> i want to talk about something we were talking about a few moments ago, what appears to be the dwindling state of the state department. again, foreign affairs, homeland security. there's a new nbcnews.com report. at the center of this concern is tillerson, rex tillerson, secretary of state, whose diminishing role in the administration is being blamed for the state department's lagging clout, this is according to seven u.s. diplomats and four foreign diplomats. are concerns being voiced there as what's being seen as states lagging clout? >> i think secretary tillerson's testified before my committee of foreign affairs and one of the questions one of the members posed to him is, why is it
taking so long for state to staff up? there's a lot of vacancies, and secretary tillerson's response was he himself had to hire eight people to fill out all the paperwork required of him. >> he blamed the process? this is a process that's existed for -- >> the process in which many of our presidents took people not from out of the state department themselves -- >> so what do you think is happening? >> i think it's a difficult process for somebody who's not been in government before. >> got it. we'll leave it there. congressman donovan, always enjoy our conversations. thanks for stopping by. news today that the equifax data breach in july was not the first time the company's security systems had been compromised. details on this newly revealed hack on the credit monitoring company and what it could mean for all of our personal information.
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credit data company equifax has acknowledged it was hit by another cybersecurity incident. the second incident happened back in march, predating the july breach of sensitive data that may have included names, addresses, social security numbers for as many as 143 million americans. yours truly included. equifax now saying that hackers may have also gained access to data on canadian consumers. tom costello joins me once again. what do we know about this additional breach, tom? >> so the reason this is all confusing is because the very first breach, if you will, or
the very first vulnerability, was identified back in march, and the company apache software put out on urgent patch. we know because equifax has told us they did not get around to addressing that hole until july 29th, even though the patch was put out in march. however, by that time, by late july, they'd already been hacked. mid-may to mid-july is when we'll told equifax was hacked. so now the question is, were they hacked again, was this a second breach also connected to the apache software or something else? if you're confused, don't worry about it, everybody's confused. the bottom line, about half of the country, as we now know, has been compromised and now word that 100,000 canadians have been compromised, as well. we've got mounting class action lawsuits. i'm counting now dozens of state attorneys general filing lawsuits or launching investigations, including the massachusetts attorney general.
just coming out and making that announcement today. the new york state attorney general asking the other credit bureaus to tell him exactly what steps they have been taking to also preserve and ensure security. it's a mess, craig, it is a giant mess coast to coast. >> tom, really quickly, folks have been compromised, what should they do? >> i think we all need to immediately freeze our credit. that's the expert advice from everybody. you need to do it at all three credit rating agencies, it may take a while, you got to do it. then if you need to buy a house, get a car loan or credit card loan, you have to unfreeze your credit for that, then freeze it again. if it sounds like it's a pain in the rear, that's the way we're going to have to live our lives. >> tom costello, always good to have you, thank you, sir. >> you bet. >> that is going to do it for this hour of "msnbc live." my colleague katy tur picking things up right now. the favorite part of my commute has become listening to your
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